Just a PoV (having no axe to grind or vested interest):
Humans need a BBW (Big Bad Wolf) to blame; we used to sacrifice animals, even other people to the 'gods' who wreaked the havoc of nature on us poor humans who at the time didn't understand the processes we nearly do now.
These days it seems to be 'Global Warming' or 'Climate Change' that we blame, but maybe it's the need or greed of finances pushing us to flatten forests for subsidized wind farms or growing cash crops;
No science is settled and the proof of CO2 causing the 1 degree of average planet warming in about 250 years is marginal at best and may just be Confirmation Bias at work.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fe…/GlobalWarming/page1.php
Even climate scientists need to pay mortgages so they have a vested interest in this AGW story. It seems even some famous folk go flying around hypocritically banging the CAGW drum & all the fuel used to have these massive IPCC conferences - why don't they video conference?
For a break off group of our common 1 of 3 chimps species that escaped Africa from the erupting Mount Toba 70kyears ago we've done some great and also damaging things, our time is limited; it's just when another natural event will provoke the next phase whether asteroid, volcanic or Earth's orbital cycles, I doubt it'll be a bit of CO2 [H20 i.e. clouds & CH4 are also in the mix] - we all live on borrowed time.
http://www.space.com/34629-nasa-fema-asteroid-impact-test.h…?
No one really knows, even climate scientists & if they say they do they are deceiving you or just nailing their bias flag on one of the masts & declaring it the correct group.
The Milankovic cycles have quite an effect to our planets overall temperature position & we'll be praying for Global Warming when the 3 coincidences come around again; we'll survive a bit of heat but not an ice age IMHO.
So what's the problem with more than 400ppm or 0.04% CO2 anyway: https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2
Humans need a BBW (Big Bad Wolf) to blame; we used to sacrifice animals, even other people to the 'gods' who wreaked the havoc of nature on us poor humans who at the time didn't understand the processes we nearly do now.
These days it seems to be 'Global Warming' or 'Climate Change' that we blame, but maybe it's the need or greed of finances pushing us to flatten forests for subsidized wind farms or growing cash crops;
No science is settled and the proof of CO2 causing the 1 degree of average planet warming in about 250 years is marginal at best and may just be Confirmation Bias at work.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fe…/GlobalWarming/page1.php
Even climate scientists need to pay mortgages so they have a vested interest in this AGW story. It seems even some famous folk go flying around hypocritically banging the CAGW drum & all the fuel used to have these massive IPCC conferences - why don't they video conference?
For a break off group of our common 1 of 3 chimps species that escaped Africa from the erupting Mount Toba 70kyears ago we've done some great and also damaging things, our time is limited; it's just when another natural event will provoke the next phase whether asteroid, volcanic or Earth's orbital cycles, I doubt it'll be a bit of CO2 [H20 i.e. clouds & CH4 are also in the mix] - we all live on borrowed time.
http://www.space.com/34629-nasa-fema-asteroid-impact-test.h…?
No one really knows, even climate scientists & if they say they do they are deceiving you or just nailing their bias flag on one of the masts & declaring it the correct group.
The Milankovic cycles have quite an effect to our planets overall temperature position & we'll be praying for Global Warming when the 3 coincidences come around again; we'll survive a bit of heat but not an ice age IMHO.
IMO the distraction of Global Warming
CO2 gravy train claim is still Forming
Now Climate Change to cover all Bases
Enables COPs, WEFs at many Places
Flying in on their many Fossil Fuelled Jets
Hypocrites pointing fingers at masses Let's
All meet and say it's all in the Science
Blame all but keep quite about our Reliance
On the vital photosynthesising Trace Gas
Make it anathema call it Carbon a sooty Mass
Too hot or cold for us humans in our Boom
Blinds us to many Elephants in the Room
Of Asteroids, Pollution, Supervolcanoes
And more besides, who really Knows
Milankovitch, Barycentric, OceanicMake it global across all the World's Nations
Trillions will be spent pissing in the Wind
For you humans we have thus Sinned
When really they are following the Money
Beyond gross modelling it's quite Funny
Everyone has their own confirmation Bias
Claim they know and we're so flipping Pious
Politicised scientists a new religious Group
Cherry Picking data but how low will they Swoop?
So what's the problem with more than 400ppm or 0.04% CO2 anyway: https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2
Some comparisons:
· 40,000 ppm: The exhaled breath of normal, healthy people.
· 8,000 ppm: CO2 standard for submarines
· 2,500 ppm: CO2 level in a small hot crowded bar in the city
· 1,000 to 2,000 ppm: Historical norms for the earth’s atmosphere over the past 550 million years
· 1,000 to 2,000 ppm: Level of CO2 at which plant growers like to keep their greenhouses
· 1,000 ppm: Average level in a lecture hall filled with students
· 600 ppm: CO2 level in an office.
· 390 ppm: Current average outdoor level of CO2 in the air
· 280 ppm: Pre-industrial the edge of “CO2 famine” for plants!
· 150 ppm: The point below which most plants die of CO2 starvation!!
· 40,000 ppm: The exhaled breath of normal, healthy people.
· 8,000 ppm: CO2 standard for submarines
· 2,500 ppm: CO2 level in a small hot crowded bar in the city
· 1,000 to 2,000 ppm: Historical norms for the earth’s atmosphere over the past 550 million years
· 1,000 to 2,000 ppm: Level of CO2 at which plant growers like to keep their greenhouses
· 1,000 ppm: Average level in a lecture hall filled with students
· 600 ppm: CO2 level in an office.
· 390 ppm: Current average outdoor level of CO2 in the air
· 280 ppm: Pre-industrial the edge of “CO2 famine” for plants!
· 150 ppm: The point below which most plants die of CO2 starvation!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37729033 is a simulation and the real picture is very very different!
Is it causing the melting or re-freezing of the 3 poles you say but depends on the biased stories we read. The greening of the planet with enhanced photosynthesis will surely help feed the growing numbers; I've run BOINC Climate@Home work units on my PCs (and still do) but have read that the all climate models can't even predict backwards to get to what happened in the past, so how can they therefore reliably predict the future trends? The timescales involved are very very long; and if one looks back at previous millennia it's a minute trend.
Why are we wasting so may £/$ on a few power points to prove a position one way or another instead of using those funds to actually do some use? Less plastic, nuclear, oil run off, toxic pollution to recycle more that we chuck in the ecosystems.
The there are many other factors involved for example sand dredging of Chinese lakes to build the ever growing cities like Shanghai this causing havoc with fin porpoise lives; it's just not one (good) green gas that could be blamed for all man's ills.
Sure other noxious gases need also to be kerbed, like CO, SO2, NOx etc., and associated pollution of cities and then there's the Nuclear agenda to consider
:-O
So concerned are we that yet another Airport is having a 3rd runway built!
But scientists have to tow the party line and keep banging the drum, any dissenters aren't seen again, so it seems to have turned into bit of a 'religion', with everything being blamed on the BBW.
Scientist needs to keep unbiased which is a hard position to take.
But just maybe we need understand that coining 'the elephant in the room' phrase that having accelerated growth of 7.4 billion humans using the limited resources up rapidly to maintain our current deluxe lifestyles won't last forever and cannot possibly be infinitely sustainable; what to do peops?
:-/
[Think I covered all my own IOCCB (Illusory Omniscient Confabulatory Confirmation Biases) in there :-)]
Why are we wasting so may £/$ on a few power points to prove a position one way or another instead of using those funds to actually do some use? Less plastic, nuclear, oil run off, toxic pollution to recycle more that we chuck in the ecosystems.
The there are many other factors involved for example sand dredging of Chinese lakes to build the ever growing cities like Shanghai this causing havoc with fin porpoise lives; it's just not one (good) green gas that could be blamed for all man's ills.
Sure other noxious gases need also to be kerbed, like CO, SO2, NOx etc., and associated pollution of cities and then there's the Nuclear agenda to consider
:-OSo concerned are we that yet another Airport is having a 3rd runway built!
But scientists have to tow the party line and keep banging the drum, any dissenters aren't seen again, so it seems to have turned into bit of a 'religion', with everything being blamed on the BBW.
Scientist needs to keep unbiased which is a hard position to take.
But just maybe we need understand that coining 'the elephant in the room' phrase that having accelerated growth of 7.4 billion humans using the limited resources up rapidly to maintain our current deluxe lifestyles won't last forever and cannot possibly be infinitely sustainable; what to do peops?
:-/[Think I covered all my own IOCCB (Illusory Omniscient Confabulatory Confirmation Biases) in there :-)]
TBC ...
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